5 days Ago By recedite
Pope Francis says choosing pets over kids is selfish Pope Francis has said that those who choose to have pets over children show "a form of selfishness". www.bbc.
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we see a form of selfishness. We see that some people do not want to have a child. Sometimes they have one, and that's it, but they have dogs and cats that take the place of children.
This may make people laugh, but it is a reality. The practice is a denial of fatherhood and motherhood and diminishes us, takes away our humanity. Click to expand.
.. Yes, we all know at least one or two couples like this, as well as the perpetually single people.
The Pope has hit a nerve this time. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I have to say, he has a point. You could throw long weekends and holidaying abroad into the list with cats and dogs.
I didnt have Pope says something I agree with on my 2022 Bingo card. Supra said: You could throw long weekends and holidaying abroad into the list with cats and dogs. Click to expand.
.. Hmmm.
. what will it be this year, a camping holiday in Mayo with the kids, or two weeks in the Maldives with a complimentary bottle of champagne and two glasses on arrival? Head of organisation that forces men to commit to a life of celibacy says childlessness is selfish, fails to see hypocrisy. recedite said: Pope Francis says choosing pets over kids is selfish Pope Francis has said that those who choose to have pets over children show "a form of selfishness".
www.bbc.com Yes, we all know at least one or two couples like this, as well as the perpetually single people.
The Pope has hit a nerve this time. I'm not a huge fan of his, but I have to say, he has a point. Click to expand.
.. he certainly has a point, but it would be better if someone other than the Pope had made it.
MsDaisyC said: Head of organisation that forces men to commit to a life of celibacy says childlessness is selfish, fails to see hypocrisy. Click to expand..
. There was a stage, a few decades ago, when couples were having children as a fashion accessory and they would have been happier with a dog or a cat. I knew a few couples like this and the poor children didn't fare well out of it either, they grew up believing that stuff meant love.
One thing that always annoys me about these people is that they claim its "for the sake of the planet" or they "can't afford to have kids", or they "don't think the world is a good enough place or has a good enough future". Yes, there is overpopulation in the world, but not in the countries where these kind of couples live. In the third world, where there is rampant overpopulation, they don't keep pets.
Affordability - well the govt. could do more on this front, but at the end of the day if everybody waited until they could afford to provide ideal housing and conditions before having kids, the human race would be extinct. Around my area, the families with the biggest houses are the ones with fewest (or no) kids.
These are mostly owner-occupied private houses. The future - denying any kind of future at all to your potential kids is surely worse than bringing them into an imperfect world? If you don't agree with this statement, you might as well top yourself right now, otherwise you are being a hypocrite for staying on yourself. The Pope may be a hypocrite because of that whole celibacy thing, but he is correct that this modern phenomenon is a kind of selfishness.
It all started when sexual pleasure became completely separated from procreation. Now it is wealth that has become inextricably linked with procreation. For taxpayers, this link is inverse.
For asylum seekers and other scroungers, its the other way round. The more kids you have, the bigger the house they give you and the more money you will get. When I worked in Germany the Turks I knew used to say "The Germans have pets instead of children".
I'm no church basher, but ...
. the world is over populated, causing untold misery in those places where there are too many people, and the Catholic church is largely responsible for this situation in much of the developing world. Orbit v2 said: I'm no church basher, but .
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the world is over populated, causing untold misery in those places where there are too many people, and the Catholic church is largely responsible for this situation in much of the developing world . Click to expand..
. Places like Chad, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan? recedite said: Places like Chad, Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan? Click to expand..
. No, I was thinking more like the slums of Brazil, elsewhere in Latin America, Philippines maybe. Of course, the catholic church isn't responsible in the places you mentioned, but there isn't a muslim Pope making silly statements like that.
Orbit v2 said: No, I was thinking more like the slums of Brazil, elsewhere in Latin America, Philippines maybe. Of course, the catholic church isn't responsible in the places you mentioned, but there isn't a muslim Pope making silly statements like that. Click to expand.
.. Yes, so its a general third world thing, and not just a catholic thing.
In countries that have no pensions, old people rely on their kids to provide them with food. And if they spend very little on rearing them, then the more kids they have, and the further they roam, the better the chances of one of them being able to look after their elderly parent. So that is in itself a selfish dynamic, but an opposite one.
The two dynamics meet when one of these third world offspring gains asylum in a first world country, and starts sending welfare cheques back home. That planet is overpopulated as it is. Why do so many men on this thread think it is selfish of some women not to have children, or is this just a backhanded way of repeating the laughable birth control is sinful line.
Orbit v2 said: No, I was thinking more like the slums of Brazil, elsewhere in Latin America, Philippines maybe. Of course, the catholic church isn't responsible in the places you mentioned, but there isn't a muslim Pope making silly statements like that. Click to expand.
.. Birth rates are actually falling across the world in a fairly amazing way.
Even in places like latin America and Philippines. The area where births are still high is sub saharan Africa. And there is defintely a concern that Africa cannot support its population surge, leading to a wave of migration from there.
recedite said: Pope Francis says choosing pets over kids is selfish Pope Francis has said that those who choose to have pets over children show "a form of selfishness". www.bbc.
com Yes, we all know at least one or two couples like this, as well as the perpetually single people. The Pope has hit a nerve this time. I'm not a huge fan of his , but I have to say, he has a point.
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It really is none of his business, and none of anyone else's business either. Some people are just not that interested in kids, and why should it bother anyone other than a sanctimonious busybody? As it happens I've formed quite a favourable impression of this pope overall. He does show signs that he genuinely cares about poverty and has none of the overweening arrogance of his two most recent predecessors.
Not that I care one way or the other. Religion is becoming more irrelevant every day. But if a heterosexual couple want to have sex together without the burdens and distresses of parenthood, and are prepared to forego the positive benefits, that is their prerogative.
Calling them selfish is just insulting, wrong and uncalled for. He has stepped out of line with this trite nonsense. parentheses said: Birth rates are actually falling across the world in a fairly amazing way.
Even in places like latin America and Philippines. The area where births are still high is sub saharan Africa. And there is defintely a concern that Africa cannot support its population surge, leading to a wave of migration from there.
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So you agree the Pope is wrong on this, and I expect you would also agree with greater access to birth control in the third world? Anyway in most young couples minding a pet is a trial run for the "real thing". What would frankie know about couples? MsDaisyC said: Head of organisation that forces men to commit to a life of celibacy says childlessness is selfish, fails to see hypocrisy. Click to expand.
.. Also anyone I know who has a pet and dotes over them generally do so because their kids are either flown the nest or they never had any possibly due to not being able to and of course if they do try via IVF that is considered a sin.
It's almost like they want people to feel bad...
..oh wait, they do, guilt and fear have been their biggest weapons for centuries.
Our way or you burn in hell, forever and ever. recedite said: Yes, so its a general third world thing, and not just a catholic thing. In countries that have no pensions, old people rely on their kids to provide them with food.
And if they spend very little on rearing them, then the more kids they have, and the further they roam, the better the chances of one of them being able to look after their elderly parent. Click to expand..
. The only difference with West is that the younger generation pays pension through taxes This is why Stalin introduced special tax for child-free.
