2 weeks Ago By HomeSlice
Allowing care of the most vulnerable to fall, unregulated, into the hands of these malfeasants? Magdalene laundries survivor recalls a childhood of relentless abuse and neglect Kathleen King is still fighting at the age of 80, frustrated that the State redress scheme refuses to accept her account of events www.irishtimes.com That article is paywalled so, I haven't read it but the title conveys what you need to know.
These reports surface time and again. But the questions remains, do the government acknowledge it, simply come out and say, "we made a terrible oversight, a terrible mistake, as an acting national regulator allowing unsupervised care to be managed by an institution of hypocrisy" . As I understand even to this day, NGO's that were founded by or are spin off's of Catholic institutions, with the same hypocritical founding principles, continue to be given massive payouts by the Irish state, most recently to the tune of three quarters of a million (one of their largest payouts to date), signed off on by Simon Harris.
Anyone politically informed on the rationale here? Why does it continue? The government will only apologise for the country. That way their party can't be held accountable. It we're all guilty, nobody is guilty kind of thinking.
Read today up to the 80's, hotels, the Aras, hospitals and businesses were using magdalene unpaid forced labour. HomeSlice said: Allowing care of the most vulnerable to fall, unregulated, into the hands of these malfeasants? Magdalene laundries survivor recalls a childhood of relentless abuse and neglect Kathleen King is still fighting at the age of 80, frustrated that the State redress scheme refuses to accept her account of events www.irishtimes.
com That article is paywalled so, I haven't read it but the title conveys what you need to know. These reports surface time and again. But the questions remains, do the government acknowledge it, simply come out and say, "we made a terrible oversight, a terrible mistake, as an acting national regulator allowing unsupervised care to be managed by an institution of hypocrisy" .
As I understand even to this day, NGO's that were founded by or are spin off's of Catholic institutions, with the same hypocritical founding principles, continue to be given massive payouts by the Irish state, most recently to the tune of three quarters of a million (one of their largest payouts to date), signed off on by Simon Harris. Anyone politically informed on the rationale here? Why does it continue? Click to expand..
. How do u know that is what actually happened? BTW we all got battered back in those days So where's my Compo? Catapulta said: How do u know that is what actually happened? Click to expand..
. A number of women over the years have complained of being abused in such institutions. Catapulta said: BTW we all got battered back in those days Click to expand.
.. By who? Catapulta said: So where's my Compo? Click to expand.
.. Put in your claim.
Racist said: A number of women over the years have complained of being abused in such institutions. By who? Put in your claim. Click to expand.
.. A number of women over the years have complained of being abused in such institutions.
So was just about everybody back in the day By who? The Headmaster and Teachers [some] Put in your claim. Where? Catapulta said: A number of women over the years have complained of being abused in such institutions. So was just about everybody back in the day By who? The Headmaster and Teachers [some] Click to expand.
.. Getting hit in school is different than been beating and abused in an institution were you are confined.
Such treatment leaves mental scars people carry with them through out their lives. Catapulta said: Put in your claim. Where? Click to expand.
.. Write to the minister for justice and explain your case.
Ask some Solicitor is he will to take your case. Catapulta said: How do u know that is what actually happened? BTW we all got battered back in those days So where's my Compo? Click to expand..
. How do I know what happened? It's right there in the article? You realize these institutions where known for infanticide? Nuns, Holier than thou - used to murder babies and infant toddlers en-masse. They're legacy lives on in the form of NGO's, preaching exactly the same hypocrisy.
"Sisters of Mercy", just allocated 750 large by Sneaky-Simon the virtue-signaller. Catapulta said: How do u know that is what actually happened? BTW we all got battered back in those days So where's my Compo? Click to expand..
. Corporal punishment wasn't outlawed then. But you weren't deprived on an education and forced into slave-labor.
In the Magdalene Laundries, that is precisely what happened. HomeSlice said: // These reports surface time and again. But the questions remains, do the government acknowledge it, simply come out and say, "we made a terrible oversight, a terrible mistake, as an acting national regulator allowing unsupervised care to be managed by an institution of hypocrisy" .
As I understand even to this day, NGO's that were founded by or are spin off's of Catholic institutions, with the same hypocritical founding principles, continue to be given massive payouts by the Irish state, most recently to the tune of three quarters of a million (one of their largest payouts to date), signed off on by Simon Harris. Anyone politically informed on the rationale here? Why does it continue? Click to expand..
. They're run by all their unmarried uncles and aunts. You're welcome.
HomeSlice said: How do I know what happened? It's right there in the article? You realize these institutions where known for infanticide? Nuns, Holier than thou - used to murder babies and infant toddlers en-masse. They're legacy lives on in the form of NGO's, preaching exactly the same hypocrisy. "Sisters of Mercy", just allocated 750 large by Sneaky-Simon the virtue-signaller.
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You realize these institutions where known for infanticide? No I didn't - please tell...
HomeSlice said: Corporal punishment wasn't outlawed then. But you weren't deprived on an education and forced into slave-labor. In the Magdalene Laundries, that is precisely what happened.
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The vast majority of citizens didn't get an education past 14 years of age back then. - you do know that don't you? Many people worked for their bed and board back then - you do know that don't you? It's interesting to see the victims of the Spritans getting their voices heard. It's to be a victim led investigation.
This, if true, will be a major departure from not including some victim statements in the mother and baby homes reports and citing witness testimony as no proof. I suppose women and children locked away for decades wouldn't have the same influence as the well connected Blackrock boys. Catapulta said: The vast majority of citizens didn't get an education past 14 years of age back then.
- you do know that don't you? Many people worked for their bed and board back then - you do know that don't you? Click to expand...
I know employee relations have come along way, but I don't think rape, physical abuse and selling the babies you didn't kill, was listed in any job description, had there actually been jobs. You can't be that ignorant a fuckball? Travis Bickle said: It's interesting to see the victims of the Spritans getting their voices heard. It's to be a victim led investigation.
This, if true, will be a major departure from not including some victim statements in the mother and baby homes reports and citing witness testimony as no proof. I suppose women and children locked away for decades wouldn't have the same influence as the well connected Blackrock boys. Click to expand.
.. Something that has struck me is that a generation ago there was a huge focus on abuse perpetrated by Christian Brothers.
The victims of abuse and others in these private schools must have been aware of what was going on yet it has taken until now for what turns out to have been an even higher level of abuse to be exposed. This must have something to do with the level of privilege and prestige that these schools embody. pedagogus said: Something that has struck me is that a generation ago there was a huge focus on abuse perpetrated by Christian Brothers.
The victims of abuse and others in these private schools must have been aware of what was going on yet it has taken until now for what turns out to have been an even higher level of abuse to be exposed. This must have something to do with the level of privilege and prestige that these schools embody. Click to expand.
.. I heard the CBs were rough places all right.
Nothing to do with 'privilege' - kids/boys got battered as a matter of course no matter what the background. Travis Bickle said: I know employee relations have come along way, but I don't think rape, physical abuse and selling the babies you didn't kill, was listed in any job description, had there actually been jobs. You can't be that ignorant a fuckball? Click to expand.
.. Rapists deserve the most severe punishment in this life and the next IMO.
Physical abuse against minors was widespread and not just in religious run places. Nor even in Ireland. The nonsense of nuns killing babies and selling the ones that survived is just that - nonsense.
And stop using Bad Language pedagogus said: Something that has struck me is that a generation ago there was a huge focus on abuse perpetrated by Christian Brothers. The victims of abuse and others in these private schools must have been aware of what was going on yet it has taken until now for what turns out to have been an even higher level of abuse to be exposed. This must have something to do with the level of privilege and prestige that these schools embody.
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I think a lot of it has to do with the elephant in the room, the state. Children did speak up and were ignored, any parents given the runaround, with perpetrators moved. Then of course we have the mother and baby homes where the Aras, Dail and various hotels and hospitals were using them as a service.
The state did not want to know. Even today we saw the whitewashed report with victim statements ignored and at one point set for deletion. In every case it took people going public for any kind of move.
Catapulta said: I heard the CBs were rough places all right. Nothing to do with 'privilege' - kids/boys got battered as a matter of course no matter what the background. Click to expand.
.. We are talking about sexual abuse here.
The point I was making is that the CB cases got huge publicity and there wasn't a dickie bird about Blackrock etc. Corporal punishment used to be prevalent in schools in many parts of the world, but in recent decades it has been outlawed in 128 countries including all of Europe, most of South America, as well as in Canada, Japan, South Africa, New Zealand and several other countries. It remains commonplace in a number of countries in Africa, Southeast Asia , and the Middle East (see list of countries, below).
While most U.S. states have outlawed corporal punishment in state schools , it continues to be allowed mostly in the Southern states .
[12] According to the United States Department of Education , more than 216,000 students were subjected to corporal punishment during the 2008–09 school year. [13] Britain itself outlawed the practice in 1987 for state schools [14] [15] [16] and more recently, in 1998, for all private schools. [17] [18] School corporal punishment - Wikipedia en.
wikipedia.org Catapulta said: Rapists deserve the most severe punishment in this life and the next IMO. Physical abuse against minors was widespread and not just in religious run places.
Nor even in Ireland. The nonsense of nuns killing babies and selling the ones that survived is just that - nonsense. And stop using Bad Language Click to expand.
.. It's my understanding that your view is because it was either rampant or as bad elsewhere, it's nothing to write home about? Thankfully we are not animals and no longer accept monstrous behaviour.
Those responsible need to be held to account. That has not happened. In Ireland we know of one mass baby dump so far.
The religious orders were the guardians of those children responsible for their wellbeing. Death through lack of care and negligence is most likely the cause is at least some cases. We know mothers were told their child had died after their adoptive parents 'donating' to the religious orders, only for them to come back from abroad or another county decades later.
We know in Canada there are a number of unmarked baby dumps with full and partial remains on grounds run by religious orders. Mass grave of babies and children found at Tuam care home in Ireland Excavations at site of home for unmarried mothers and their children where it is alleged up to 800 children died uncover human remains www.theguardian.
com https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tk-eml%C3%BAps-te-secw%C3%A9pemc-215-children-former-kamloops-indian-residential-school-1.
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