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Publishers have been urged to “band together” to challenge big tech’s power over news industry revenues as an executive revealed the impact of recent Google updates at Mail Online . Speaking at Press Gazette’s Future of Media Technology Conference last week, a group of industry experts warned there is a mismatch between how the news industry and tech platforms calculate value that means publishers are powerless addressing them alone. Carly Steven, the global head of search engine optimisation (SEO) at Mail Online, said a June anti-spam update rolled out by Google had hit affiliate revenue from, for example, publisher voucher code and betting offers, which she said “effectively turned off a very significant revenue stream for a lot of publishers”.
“All of that content – that was really valuable, and we genuinely believe our readers find it very valuable too – it was just gone overnight.” She said it spoke to a broader trend wherein publishers have less control in an increasingly unpredictable online landscape. “We used to have a lot of control, as SEO editors or people working in this industry.
.. We used to be able to tweak a headline, add some links and get something back.
It used to be so easy...
All that control is gone. I could not do that anymore. “If an editor says to me: ‘I want this story to rank at the start of the top stories rail’ – I cannot make that happen in the way that we used to do.
” Referring to AI Overviews, the artificial intelligence-generated summaries Google has begun deploying at the top of some search results, Steven said “the challenge that we’re facing...
is that it does keep changing. “We’ve taken part in studies where we’ve analysed our own keywords and seen that AI Overviews have been present for 23% of all the keywords that drive traffic to our website. And then the next week that’s 5%.
“So it’s very hard to be able to make decisions right now based on the data that we have.” AI Overviews concern some publishers because they are displayed above links in Google’s search results, pushing publishers further down the page and potentially answering user enquiries without sharing any traffic. But Steven said for now their impact on traffic was unclear, asking: “Do people ever click if you have a link within an AI overview? Probably not, but right now, we just don’t know.
.. “What’s taking up my time at the moment, in terms of trying to understand the AI landscape, is developing the tools to enable us to track it on an ongoing basis.
” SEO consultant Barry Adams said from what he’d seen AI Overviews “don’t really present a threat, yet, to publishers – at least not in the context of news, where AI Overviews are mostly absent from news topics”. He said they are presented more often for “evergreen” information. Last month research by consultancy Authoritas that found AI Overviews were being offered for 17% of queries in the UK and US on the top keywords.
Earlier, Press Gazette-commissioned research by Authoritas published in June saw AI Overviews offered for 24% of the top keywords driving publisher traffic . Adams said overviews did not “seem to be cannibalising as much traffic as maybe some had expected – it tends to be low single-digit percentage traffic losses, which basically makes AI Overviews just another search feature like you had before..
. So it’ll be just another thing to optimise for. Which means more work for everybody, yay.
” Denis Haman , the chief executive of Glide Publishing Platform , described the relationship between publishers and platforms as “abusive” and questioned whether big tech could ever meaningfully value news. “We’re not friends, we’re not even frenemies,” he said. “That’s the reality.
.. it doesn’t matter whether you’re exposing corruption or whether you’re telling life stories, the media plays a role in society which has a greater value than what some random number cruncher at Meta will assign to it.
” Madhav Chinnappa, a senior executive consultant at AI data marketplace Human Native and previously the director of news ecosystem development at Google, said: “The reality is that the tech companies, from their California headquarters, look at the industries that they touch and they value them based on the revenue that they bring in.” In the news industry’s case, he said “it’s de minimis, right? “I actually was on a panel with an ex- Facebook person who talked about it, and he said: ‘Look, actually, the value of news to Facebook is zero if not negative, because when they took news off, their revenues went up.’ “So they’re valuing it based on dollars in.
But I think the news industry and news people value the news industry on societal value...
. I think that’s actually one of the fundamental factors about why this relationship has been so difficult.” On a more optimistic note, Mail Online’s Steven said that “a really positive unintended consequence” of June’s Google spam SEO update for publishers was that “it’s forced us together a lot more”.
“While that was a terrible thing that happened...
publishers all came together to put pressure on Google, to insist on having conversations with them. “I’m not saying that we’ve got the solution that we wanted to, but it was really productive, and not just because it’s a bit of a therapy session.” She said there had been “green shoots” from those discussions.
“I feel like, personally, our relationship with Google – while it can be frustrating because we don’t get answers – I feel like there’s been some small victories. “And maybe I need to be more ambitious with my targets, but on the back of some of the things that we collectively as publishers have raised, Google..
. clarified things, they tweak the rules.” Steven said Google is “not really interested in you individually as a publisher”.
“But when you have a whole industry coming together and being able to provide evidence and proof that ‘you made this change, and something collectively happened to all of us, and the consequences of that are really bad for your users who are searching for this information on Google’ – then they pay a little bit more attention.” SEO expert Adams said: “You need to hold them accountable, because if you just let them get away with it, they aren’t just going to care about us.” He added: “It is not true that all of Google search results are purely algorithmic.
There are some specific aspects, like for example, around Covid information, where Google will manually whitelist websites...
“We need to lift that veil off of it and understand these are just human-coded algorithms – coded by people who make editorial decisions on what works and what doesn’t work, and it is okay to hold them to account.” Chinnappa agreed that publishers needed to work together to influence big tech, saying tech companies are “culturally different” from the news industry and that the way to sway them was “at scale, with data”. On the question of whether publishers should licence their content to artificial intelligence companies, Chinnappa noted that away from giants like Google and OpenAI , “there’s actually an entire AI developer ecosystem of small and not so small developers who also need access to content, and they want it for specific reasons, whether it’s niche content or it’s hard to find in a big data set, or, quite selfishly, they don’t want to get sued into oblivion.
.. “I think we need to be helping get that ecosystem that’s sustainable for both sides.
Because I hope that data licensing becomes a sustainable revenue stream for publishers going forward, but we need to push in that direction together.” And Haman, similarly, said “there’s an opportunity nowadays, with a new crop of big tech companies emerging, where we should come together as an industry and see whether we can influence the governments, band together, don’t get split up by bits of money here and there. “Because it’s not just the big guys.
News Corp will do a deal , Axel Springer will do a deal , of course they will – as they should, people should pay for the content. “But what about smaller publishers? Who’s going to compensate them for the content that’s been taken from them without permission?..
. “I don’t think that they’re going to have a breakthrough and all of a sudden see the value that that media industry [adds to] society, and it’s something that needs to be protected.” Email pged@pressgazette.
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